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June 1998
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Date: - Tuesday, June 30,
1998 at 14:26:14 (PDT) ----------------------------------------- Ref: addition to previouis message
The web site I mentioned in my previous note did not publish in the final
edition.
It is as follows: http://members.aol.com/BTDMD/drury.html
Date: - Tuesday, June 30,
1998 at 14:23:02 (PDT) -----------------------------------------
I am looking for Honora McDermott Drury, who travelled to the USA around
1848 with one young child after her husband (Michael Drury) died. She apparently
travelled with several brothers and died in Louisiville, Ky. around 1862.
Details of this can be seen in an old family letter published at
>
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you to Maureen McDermott for reccomending this wonderful web site.
Date: - Monday, June 29, 1998
at 10:56:31 (PDT)
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In reply to: Rosemary McDermott
My line came from yours. A family journal records that Hugh's son Charles
'went west' and was 'lost'.Please e-mail with more details.
Date: - Sunday, June 28, 1998
at 14:35:16 (PDT) -----------------------------------------
Hugh McDermott, born in Ballykilcline about 1835, came to the United States
around 1847. He was the youngest of Hugh McDermott's ten children. Does anyone
know what happened to him after his arrival in the United States? My grandfather,
Hugh James McDermott, was born in Butte, Montana around 1882. His father
was Charles McDermott, who married in Carson City, Nevada about 1879, and
moved to Montana to work in the mines. We think his father was Hugh McDermott.
Does anyone have any information that might shed light?
Date: - Sunday, June 28, 1998
at 05:55:02 (PDT)
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In reply to: Carole Watkins
I have much more information on her and the familt that came to US in 1847.
Rosanna is on my family chart found in another section of this site. I am
also e-mailing you direct.
Date: - Saturday, June 27,
1998 at 15:39:23 (PDT) ----------------------------------------- Ref: Carole Watkins, June 27, 1998
Seeking information on ROSEANNE MCDERMOTT, b. 1838, my
husband's great-grandmother. She supposedly came to New
York at the age of 16, visited with two aunts in New York,
then traveled to Jefferson Township, Greene County,
Pennsylvania, where she visited with two uncles, who resided
there, MICHAEL MCGOVERN and THOMAS DRUM. While there, she
met the Jacob Ulerys who invited her to visit with them
in Washington County. While at the Ulerys, she met and
married WILLIAM FRANCIS WISE in 1859.
We do not know if she came to the US by herself or with other
family members. Anyone having any information or direction
to follow re this elusive ancestor, we would most appreciate
hearing from you.
Date: - Friday, June 26, 1998
at 08:27:09 (PDT) -----------------------------------------
The editors of the McDermott North American Newsletter are busy compiling
articles for the September 98 issue. We would like to have a few more stories
from the children regarding McDermott ancestors on their family tree.
Summer time is a fine opportunity to practice the writing skills learned
during the last school year. Please send any family story written by your
child on the subject of a McDermott ancestor to Maureen McDermott Humphreys
at searun@sprintmail.com
The deadline is July 23, 1998 for submission.
Renewals for the 1999 newsletter will be in the September 98 issue.
Please see the MacDermot Library section for more newsletter details.
Date: - Tuesday, June 23,
1998 at 11:25:26 (PDT) ----------------------------------------- Ref: [Reply to Mary Jane Pattillo:] June 23, 1998
I am searching for my g grandparents. My grandfather was
John or Johnnie McDermott, b. January 1874 in Florida,
d. April 1930, Walton Co., FL. Johnnie had two known sisters,
Mary McDERMOTT, b. 1872, Florida, and Ida McDERMOTT, b.
ca. 1865 in Florida. Mary McDERMOTT married James M.
COPPEDGE. She is found in the 1880 census of Walton Co., FL
living in the household of James McLEAN and Catherine GILLIS
McLEAN, listed as their ward. She is found in the 1910 census
of Holmes Co., FL, listed as Mary COPPEDGE, m. to James COPPEDGE.
Ida McDERMOTT is found in the 1910 census of Holmes Co., FL.
She is listed as the wife of David STANDLEY. Ida was David's
second wife. (His first wife's name was Sarah) Johnnie
McDermott is found in the 1900 census of Walton Co., FL.
He is listed in the household of
Christian GILLIS CAMPBELL, as adopted. Both Johnnie and Mary
McDERMOTT named a daughter, Annie or Anna Lee.(Is this possibly
the name of a female relative in the family?) Johnnie, Mary
and Ida all listed their father's place of birth in the census
records as Ireland and their mother's as Florida. The GILLIS
family as well as the CAMPBELL family settled in the Panhandle
of Florida coming from the Isle of SKYE, Scotland,(sometime
around 1810-1820 on the SCOTIA passenger ship, first to North
Carolina, possibly Moore Co., then to Walton/Holmes Co., FL.
Some members of these two families also stopped in South
Carolina and Alabama before settling in Florida. Both
Christian GILLIS CAMPBELL and Catherine GILLIS McLEAN list
their state of birth as South Carolina. Christian and
Catherine are sisters. Since both GILLIS sisters raised one
each of the McDERMOTT children I am wondering if there is a
blood relationship to the GILLIS family. Ida who was 7 to
9 years older than Johnnie and Mary, does not appear to
have been raised or fostered with another family. There is
a family rumor that another unknown sister may have died in
Alabama. Any help in establishing who my McDERMOTT great
grandparents were or a possible tie in to the GILLIS family
would be much appreciated.
ship,
Date: - Monday, June 22, 1998
at 14:16:33 (PDT) -----------------------------------------
I am searching for ancestors and siblings of Patrick MCDERMOTT, b.1819 (Co.
Cavan IR ?) d.1872 (MN USA?).
He apparently left Ireland in the 1840's. Lived around Fishkill NY, Dutchess
County,and Newburgh NY, Orange County, until the 1860's then moved to Faxon
township near Belle Plaine MN with his family. In 1888 he moved to North
Dakota.
1st wife - M. McCormick b.? d.1846 (NY USA ?)
2nd wife - Honora Donlon b.1819 Co Cavan Ir, d.1906 MN USA
I would appreciate any information.
Judy Hanson
judy@linkup.net
Date: - Sunday, June 21, 1998
at 08:44:20 (PDT)
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In reply to: sleonard@ezonline.com
The mention of a John McDermott in this area
rang a bell with me. There was a shopkeeper
in Ballymoe of that name; he died in 1858.
His executor was John Lloyd Bagot, solicitor,
living locally I think.
[I came across this information in the Probate
indexes]. A Maria McDermott of Knockdonnell,
Ballymoe, died in 1861. I don't know if they
were related. Finally, a Rev. Pat McDermott of
Ballintubber [a village near Creggs]died in 1864,
leaving his estate to his brother Hugh, of Creggs.
Again, I don't know if they are related. I hope it
helps to build up a small picture of McDermotts in
this area.
Date: - Tuesday, June 16,
1998 at 06:30:55 (PDT) -----------------------------------------
Just in case you are waiting for a reply to a message Rory's computer is
not working at the moment and will probably be down for the next few days
until he can get someone to fix it.
Date: - Wednesday, June 10,
1998 at 16:45:45 (PDT)
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In reply to: James T. Curran
The towns of Narrowsburg and Honesdale which you mentioned are liocated in
northease Pennsylvania near the Delaware River border with New York, fairly
close to Port Jervis. Look at a Pennsylvania map northeast of Scranton.
My grandfather, Thomas McDermott was married to Selina Sullivan, who had
many close relatives living in Port Jervis. My grandparents later moved to
Plains, PA, near Wilkes-Barre. A fairly large number of McDermotts still
live in this area.
Date: - Wednesday, June 10,
1998 at 13:30:15 (PDT)
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In reply to: Elizabeth Heston
In 1235 during the de Burgo conquest of Connacht MacDermot's Castle
on Loch Ce (Lough Key) was besieged by Anglo-Norman forces,
referred to as Galls (outsiders/foreigners) in the Annals of
Loch Ce. The siege was quite elaborate, involving the launching
of rocks at the castle from perriers aboard ships (unsuccessful)
and the tying together of smaller vessels full of fuel. These vessels
were then towed towards the island by a bigger craft and were
then set alight, the purpose being to burn down the castle, which
of course had a high timber content.
At the prospect of being burned alive, the inhabitants of the castle
took flight and the Rock was occupied by the Galls. However one of
their company, O Hostin, must have been a MacDermot plant as
it would appear that after three weeks of occupation he managed to shut
the entire occupying company outside of the Castle. This must have been
some feat as the island is small and to get the entire bunch
out at once would have invloved some organizing !
In any case, once out and unable to re enter they fled for security
to Trinity Island nearby and Cormac MacDermot, King of Moylurg 1218-1244
retook the castle.
This is the only (if interesting) reference we can find to your ancestors.
More may turn up upon consulting a copy of "The Annals of
Loch Ce".
Rory MacDermot
Date: - Wednesday, June 10,
1998 at 09:30:04 (PDT) -----------------------------------------
Just found your (our) webpage! This is great fun to read about for our family.
I must compliment you on the effort and completeness of the information.
I am wondering if there is a museum, castle, or other location where artifacts
and/or memoribillia related to the family name can be found. I'd be interested
in visiting the site and meeting any distant relatives that live there, maybe
not this year but at some time in the future. Also, I'm not able to find
a reference to the title "Tanaiste". Am I correct in assuming that you are
the family historian or keeper of the coat of arms? I appreciate your reply
to these inquiries and I will be proud to share this site with my family
for their interest as well.
Date: - Tuesday, June 09,
1998 at 14:00:34 (PDT)
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In reply to: Elizabeth Heston
You also ask about displaying the MacDermot Coat of Arms.
Strictly speaking the Coat of Arms should be used only by
MacDermots (more commonly McDermott) who descend from the MacDermots
of Moylurg. I am not sure however what was the custom, if indeed
there was any, for "followers" of the Clan and whether they had
rights to use their employer's Coat of Arms (or variation thereof).
The truth of the matter is that by the time the MacDermot (or any Irish
Coats of Arms) came about, the great Gaelic order has long since been
overtaken by English rule. Therefore any meaningful allegiance to
or dependence upon the powerful Gaelic lords was no longer of
much significance in the Ireland of the late Sixteenth/early Seventeeth
centuries.
(Note: Coats of Arms in Ireland were "invented" long after
their heyday in the medieval Europe of the Crusades against
Islam).
Kind regards
Rory MacDermot
Tanaiste
Clan MacDermot
Date: - Tuesday, June 09,
1998 at 13:44:20 (PDT)
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In reply to: Elizabeth Heston
Dear Elizabeth
We are aware of an association which existed between Heston
(original OhOistin, also angl. Hastings) and MacDermot but can
not be very precise about it. My Grandfather mentions in his
book "MacDermot of Moylurg" that OhOistin assisted in relieving
a siege of MacDermot Castle on Loch Key but I cannot be more
informative until I find the reference - It does not appear in the
index, for some reason !
Edward MacLysaght also mentions that the OhOistin were associated
with MacDermot of Moylurg and that their present day representatives
are to be found in Mayo and Clare/Limerick (having emigrated
from Mayo some time ago).
I do not think that the two families were related however, although
there may have been marriages for all I know. We do not however
have any records of formal ties between the two.
I am determined to find out more as two other Hestons have also
asked similar questions. You will find them both within
the pages of the Notice Baord entries. Searching is manual
for the time being until we figure a way to automate the archive.
Best regards
Rory MacDermot
Tanaiste
Clan MacDermot
Date: - Sunday, June 07, 1998
at 11:52:13 (PDT)
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In reply to: Rosemary Henry Ref: McDermott-Swanick
Have recently had access to a letter written c. 1874 by
a Thomas Maxwell to Catherine and Eizabeth McDermott in
Buffalo, NY. Letter, unfortunately, is incomplete, but
Thomas was somehow involved in shipping materials between
Buffalo and Jersey City, NJ. May have been a wagon driver.
In the letter he speaks of going through Honesale and
Narrowsburg(?) and stopping for two nights with Thomas
McDermott and his aunt (no name given). While not certain,
the location where they were living was probably Port
Jervis. What are your thoughts? Does there seem to be
a connection?
Date: - Sunday, June 07, 1998
at 11:32:18 (PDT) -----------------------------------------
Am looking for anything that would help me identify
two women associated with the Mac Dermot family in unclear
ways. Both were apparently from the Rockingham demesne
area. Lady Lily Dickie was from the 1870-1890 era and
may have lived in the estate gate house.
Lady Featherstone was from an earlier era c. 1800 and
may have come from the Kirkwood Estate out the
Carrick-on-Shannon road from Rockingham.
The spelling or accuracy of the names cannot be
vouched for. Am not entirely sure what the "Lady"
honorifics imply. Can anyone tell me whether they are
likely to be noble titles or simply a name given
to landed gentry? If titles, how does one go about
researching such titles? Would it also be advisable
to do such research in England? What facilities would
exist in the Boyle area for such research? Or would it
be Dublin?
Any assistance, no matter how small, would be
greatly appreciated. I look forward to hearing from
someone.
Date: - Wednesday, June 03,
1998 at 08:47:54 (PDT) -----------------------------------------
I've been researching the Heston connections to the Clan McDermot. Heston,
Hastings, Hasty, and Histon are all names that derive from the family O'hOisten
which was supposed to be a client sept to the Clan McDermot. I'd appreciate
any information anyone has about this: is it true, is it false, do you know
any Hestons? I'd also like to know, if the connection is true, can I display
the McDermot arms?
I've not been able to trace my family back to Ireland, but the family history
reports that we're Irish (as well as lots of other things, since we're American,
too). I have corresponded with a "cousin" from Ireland and he gave me some
of the information on our supposed clan allegiance.
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